I think I now have to defend myself I reject the comments of hcj 44.  The Isle of Man is approx. 36 miles long and 13 miles wide and not part of the UK.  Though the population has increased, If I gave my real name I could be identified in 15 mins flat with name and address and everything else.

I will trawl through certain Manx publications for evidence what I have said is correct though there might be typo errors on dates etc.  Unlike the UK the IOM schools were not required to have punishment books till just before till around 1998 as far as I know.  What school records there are as far as I know will be kept secret at the Manx museum till about 2050 or longer over here we have a 100 year rule that certain official records cannot opened till 100 years have gone by.  and some school records would have been destroyed after seven years.  Seven years is a rule that some records EG medical, school , some police records, Civil Defence , etc and be destroyed after seven years .

I will try and go through Police records on the birch and I will provide you all with evidence to support what I have said, We have a saying its not what you know but who you know!

The slipper and the cane was used in most junior and secondary school from one end of the Island
There was one teacher in Douglas was was known as Slipper Smith as he always gave the slipper to boys of all ages for even for minor offences, Again I will find evidence to back it up.

I do not make up stories as as hcj 44 suggests

The IOM borders are closed at this time due to this Virus and when the first person died of it The imperial governor ( her majesty Rep on the IOM gave a speech to the Manx population

Sincerely

John Smage

Slipper Smith – Geography – locked us all in the Geography classroom one year on the School ‘Summer Fayre’ day for not volunteering to participate in something or other – against many H&S regulations I reckon – but we overcame by dangling string out of the window and hauled up ice creams et al in a carrier bag!.

Hello john_smage,

I wish you every success in your endeavour.  I am always happy to be proved wrong if I am in error.  Many will recognise that it can be extremely difficult to provide independent corroboration of one’s own experiences in receipt of SCP, and indeed this may be impossible.

However in civilised countries the judicial processes are usually a matter of public record somewhere and it would certainly be most illuminating to have confirmation of court ordered police slipperings of erring girls on the Isle of Man, and of birchings of boys occurring as late as 1987.

I have to concur with the comments of both HJC and A-L concerning these recent posts. As many here will already know I grew in the 1950s/60s in a fairly large city and went UK state schools, primary and secondary, a mixed primary from 5 to 11 and a boys grammar school from 11 to 18. To some extent there was SCP at both. The primary school with slaps to the back of legs in the infants section 5 – 7 and various types of SCP in the junior section 7 – 11. Senior school was very different, more regimented with both the slipper and cane used. This was the time when the great majority of parents approved of SCP provided it was deserved and appropriate. Plenty of parents used corporal punishment themselves then but very few ever used the cane. Other youngsters talked freely of receiving it at home as did those who attended other schools to my own. That said I knew absolutely nothing of judicial CP for youngsters or adults. Many youngsters’ story books and comics of the time told of juvenile CP often with illustrations. Other than all that I have to say that knew nothing more of SCP. As to girls receiving CP, school or at home, I think I believed that it may happen but knew virtually nothing of it at the time.
I freely admit to a long existing adult interest in such CP and I have read a great deal about it over the years. Like HJC and A-L I have become used deciding what is fact or fiction although some accounts may be a combination of a bit of both. Either type of account can be entertaining provided that they are seen as one or the other.

I think an official report was written about birching in the Isle of Man. The front cover was illustrated with the Coat of Arms but three birches were held by each arm. It made an interesting read and gave examples of the modus operandi of birching.

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Apr 27, 2020

I think an official report was written about birching in the Isle of Man. The front cover was illustrated with the Coat of Arms but three birches were held by each arm. It made an interesting read and gave examples of the modus operandi of birching.

An interesting read no doubt but I’d be suspicious of any document bearing an official coat of arms that had the coat of arms modified in such a frivolous manner.  Interesting but I’d have serious doubts of it being official.

I actually came across it in the library at Brunel University. What its bona fide are I couldn’t say.

Thanks for that bripuk, I still doubt it was actually created by the Manx Government but I’d be interested to read it.

This was published by the Anti Birching group ,  At The time many Captain of the Parish;s throughout the Island had to call public meetings to talk with the public on the issue at that time.   If the Captain of the Parish gets 12 voters of the parish request a public meeting , he has the power to requisition a meeting hall,  These were packed out at that times about 50/50 for and against ,  The Captain of the Parish and this goes back over 500 years should have 12 armed horseman ready to help the governor repel a invasion .  About 10 years ago The Isle of Man had a peace treaty with Scotland.  Its still law that a Taxi is supposed  still carry a bale of hay for the horse.  Hope this info is of help,

john_smage wrote: ↑

Apr 27, 2020

This was published by the Anti Birching group ,

As I suggested the publication wasn’t produced by the Manx Parliament proper.
It is usually seen as completely wrong to change or modify official coats of arms.